Log file opened at: 1/26/07 4:16:14 PM

<Janet> AND NOSS AND SEWGOOD TOO!

<BLACKCATS> hi sandy

<BLACKCATS> hi cak

<Janet> AND MIZ CHARLOTTE!

<cak> Hiya!

<cak> sorry I'm late

<MJ> actually I follow Cindy C. to her classes,and thought I'd drop in on thr rest of the doings

<BLACKCATS> great!

<Janet> OKAY, CLASS PAGE IS HERE: http://tech.cyberstampers.com

<BLACKCATS> you'll be glad you did MJ

<sandyh> ty

<Janet> EXCELLENT!!

<Marylou> you will enjoy it, MJ and Sewgood

<Janet> AND THE URL TO JOIN THE NEW TECHIE EMAIL LIST IS HERE: http://lists.cyberstampers.com/mailman/listinfo/cybertechies

<sandyh> i just joined before coming here!

<Marylou> just did that

<Janet> EXCELLENT!

<MJ> I have been receiving e-mails for some time also

<Janet> TECHIE EMAIL LIST ISN'T GOING TO BE VERY TECHIE... IT'S GOING TO BE JUST US ASKING BASIC QUESTIONS AND (WE HOPE) GETTING BASIC ANSWERS

<Janet> EXCELLENT, MJ!

<sandyh> good

<Marylou> I'm lloking forward to this, had just talked to a friend about her building me a website, now I can do it

<Janet> STUFF LIKE "HOW DO I TURN MY TEXT BLUE?"

<Janet> YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF!!

<Janet> THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE HTML WRITING CLASS EITHER.

<sandyh> whew!

<Marylou> hey I always learn something new at these conventions

<Janet> THIS IS GOING TO BE CUT/PASTE/EDIT CLASS :)

<MJ> great

<sandyh> i may know some of this stuff already....but we'll see.

<Jambalaya> warning: Janet is a geek, you have to ask specific questions<g>

<Janet> I'VE TAUGHT HTML CLASSES AND THEY ARE GOOD, BUT NOW I'M GOING FOR WAY MORE BASIC. CUT AND PASTE IS THE ONLY REAL SKILL YOU NEED FOR THESE.

<sandyh> cool

<Marylou> that I can handle!

<BLACKCATS> good

<BLACKCATS> my thoughts exactly marylou

<Marylou> Janet, guess what I have right beside me to snack on?

<Janet> AFTER YOU GET GOOD AT CUT AND PASTE AND CHANGING THAT, THEN YOU'LL BE WAY MORE MOTIVATED TO ACTUALLY LEARN HTML. OR ELSE YOU'LL KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEARN IT IF YOU JUST KNOW HOW TO CUT AND PASTE

<Janet> WHUT?

<Janet> CHOCOLATES?

<sandyh> huh???

<Marylou> some ofHILDE's chocolates!

<Janet> OH YUMMMMM!!

<Janet> THEY ARE THE BEST!

<sandyh> you must share here...

<Janet> OKAY, SO SHALL WE START NOW??

<sandyh> ok

<Marylou> yep, share of course reach out Im' holding the box out

<Marylou> ok

<sandyh> mmmmm!

<Janet> FIRST OFF, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS HOUR...

<Janet> http://tech.cyberstampers.com

<Janet> AND THIS TIME JUST LOOK AT THE PAGE

<Janet> CLICK ONE OF THE IMAGES ON THE FIRST TWO ROWS, AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE THE BIG ONE

<sandyh> oh i like the last group!

<Janet> AND AFTER YOU SEE THE BIG ONE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE MAIN PAGE USING YOUR BACK BUTTON

<Janet> (SANDY, ME TOO)

<sandyh> ok

<Janet> NOW THE THIRD AND FOURTH ROWS DO IT DIFFERENTLY. CLICK ONE OF THOSE IMAGES.

<sandyh> ah...opens a new tab

<Janet> THOSE OPEN A SEPARATE WINDOW

<Janet> YEAH!

<sandyh> that's nice.

<Janet> THE LAST ROW IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE FANCY DEALS THAT I JUST CUT AND PASTE INTO MY STUFF

<sandyh> you can click back and forth

<Janet> JUST HOLD YOUR MOUSE OVER ONE OF THE IMAGES IN THE LAST ROW AND THE BIG ONE SHOWS UP BELOW IT

<noss> I love the trees!

<Jambalaya> cool

<sandyh> yes, that is very cool

<Janet> YEAH, I LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE NEWSPAPERS I READ ONLINE IS ALWAYS HAVING SERIES OF PHOTOS DONE THAT WAY

<sandyh> no muss, no fuss

<Janet> WITH ALL THE LITTLE BITTY ONES ACROSS THE TOP AND WHICHEVER ONE YOU POINT TO IS BIG UNDERNEATH

<Janet> OF COURSE THE SIMPLEST ONE IS THE FIRST TWO ROWS...

<Janet> SO LET'S START YOU MAKING YOUR OWN PAGE... IN YOUR BROWSER LOOK UNDER THE "VIEW" MENU AND THERE'S ONE CHOICE THAT'S "VIEW SOURCE"

<sandyh> they're like thumbnails

<noss> What's a browser?

<sandyh> page source?

<Janet> YEAH, ALL THREE OF MY VERSIONS OF A GALLERY IS WITH MAKING THUMBNAILS AND HAVING BIG IMAGES UNDERNEATH THEM, EITHER BY CLICKING TO A NEW PAGE, OR CLICKING TO A SEPARATE PAGE OR POINTING TO IT

<Janet> NOSS, IT IS INTERNET EXPLORER OR FOXFIRE OR WHICHEVER ONE YOU USE

<noss> I think I should let this class pass--going to take care of the dogs now

<Janet> AND THE PAGE SOURCE IS JUST A TEXT FILE

<sandyh> oh stay noss....you'll catch on

<Janet> NOTHING SCARY AT ALL. JUST PLAIN OLD TEXT

<sandyh> should i click on page source?

<Janet> YES, CLICK ON PAGE SOURCE.

<Marylou> I di nothing is happening

<sandyh> ooh, lots of code

<Janet> AND THEN SAVE AS A NEW NAME. NAME IT SOMETHING YOU'LL REMEMBER THEN .html

<Janet> YEAH, THE CODE LOOKS SCARY BUT ISN'T.

<Janet> WE JUST IGNORE THE HARD STUFF AND CUT AND PASTE WHAT WE LIKE

<Janet> SO SAY YOU'VE RENAMED MY PAGE SOURCE FILE NOSS.HTML

<Janet> NOW YOU CAN START CHANGING IT TO MAKE IT YOUR OWN.

<sandyh> ok, so it's saved on my desktop

<Janet> DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE CODING, LOOK FOR THE HEADING IN BETWEEN ALL THOSE BRACKETS AND STUFF...

<Janet> WHERE YOU SEE THE WORDS "VERY SIMPLE ART GALLERY" CHANGE THOSE WORDS TO SOMETHING ELSE. LIKE "SANDY'S ART GALLERY"

<Janet> THEN SAVE THE FILE (STILL IN TEXT AND STILL TO WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT) AND CLOSE IT.

<sandyh> should i change it on this one or open the new one on my desktop?

<BLACKCATS> I wish notepad would wrap so it's not a zillion miles wide

<Marylou> I still havent got it...go to view and click on source, right?

<Janet> THEN CLICK ON IT AND HAVE YOUR FILE OPEN ON YOUR DESK

<Janet> BC, YOU CAN GO UNDER ONE OF THE MENUS AND CLICK PAGEWRAP

<sandyh> ok wait....

<Janet> RIGHT ML

<BLACKCATS> oh! ty

<Janet> THAT MAKES IT MUCH MO BETTAH, DOESN'T IT?

<Janet> SO HAS ANYONE CHANGED THE WORDS "VERY SIMPLE ART GALLERY" TO SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN REOPENED THE FILE TO SEE IT?

<sewgood2> yes

<Marylou> well nothing happens,

<Janet> YAY!! DID IT WORK GOOD?

<sandyh> working...give me a sec

<Janet> ML, LOOK MAYBE UNDERNEATH THE BROWSER WINDOW, IT PROBABLY IS COMING UP IN A NOTEPAD FILE

<Janet> OH AND ONCE YOU OPEN YOUR OWN VERSION, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THE GRAPHICS AREN'T THERE.

<BLACKCATS> yes

<Janet> THAT INSPIRES YOU TO PUT YOUR OWN GRAPHICS IN THOSE PLACES

<BLACKCATS> cool

<sandyh> no, mine just opened very simple art gallery

<Janet> AND TO DO THAT YOU LOOK FOR CODE THAT SAYS img src="SOMETHING.JPG"

<cak> rats, you mean I can't claim your work as mine??? (Canet's Page)?

<sandyh> but blank

<Janet> LOL!

<Janet> SANDY, DID YOU CHANGE THE WORDS AND THEN SAVE THE TEXT FILE.

<Janet> YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO SAVE IT TO HAVE THE CHANGES SHOW UP

* Jambalaya knows cak is just as big a geek as the janet

<Janet> LOL

<sandyh> i changed the words and clicked save as and renamed the file to my desktop

<BLACKCATS> also, make sure you know where you saved it

<Janet> THEN YOUR CHANGES SHOULD SHOW UP

<sandyh> hold on

<Janet> YEAH, I'M FOREVER SAVING THINGS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THEM AGAIN. SO I TRY TO SAVE TO MY DESKTOP JUST SO I CAN FIND THE FILES.

<Janet> ALSO WHY I HAVE LIKE 40 LIL ICONS ON MY DESKTOP<G>

<BLACKCATS> lol

<BLACKCATS> same here

<Jambalaya> and 140 post it notes around your monitor<g>

<BLACKCATS> if all else fails run search for document using the title you selected

<MJ> I put all the icons in the unused file and check there when I need something

<Janet> BEFORE CONVENTIONS? MY GOAL IS TO CLEAR MY DESKTOP OFF, SO I PUT ALL THE BOOTHS NOT FINISHED ON THERE, THEN WHEN I FINISH ONE, I SAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND ERASE THE ONE ON MY DESKTOP

<sandyh> hmm.i try to change the words but it just keeps "very simple..."

<Janet> MAYBE YOU'RE OH! PROBABLY SAVING THE TITLE OF THE WINDOW

<Marylou> well I'm glad I joined the techie newsletter, I'm lost already

<Janet> LOL ML

<BLACKCATS> delete those words and type in what you want

<BLACKCATS> lol ML

<sandyh> i highlight them and click delete but no change

<Janet> A VERY SIMPLE ART GALLERY ACTUALLY APPEARS TWICE IN THE CODE, ONCE FOR THE WINDOW TITLE AND ONCE AS WORDS ON THE PAGE

<BLACKCATS> it will be easier later when you don't have so many distractions and windows open

<sandyh> i'm trying to change the title

<sandyh> brb

<Janet> ANYWAY, I NAMED MY GRAPHIC FILES IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, PROBABLY YOU'LL NAME THEM A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT I DID SORTA KINDA LAY THIS OUT BEFORE I STARTED...

<cak> Hi Ms Evo

<Janet> SO I NAMED THE GRAPHICS RnumberCnumber

<Janet> FOR LIKE ROW1COLUMN1

<Evo> Heyyyy, all :}>

<Janet> SO R1C1

<Janet> SO WHEN YOU CHANGE MY GRAPHICS INTO YOUR OWN, YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR GRAPHIC

<Janet> EVO, http://tech.cyberstampers.com

<Evo> thx

<Janet> THEN OPEN SOURCE, WE'RE EDITING THE SOURCE TO MAKE THE PAGE OUR OWN

<BLACKCATS> hi evo

<sandyh> i don't see any other place where it says that except the <titla> and i can't change that

<sandyh> ttile

<sandyh> title.ugh!

<Janet> THERE SHOULD BE THIS LINE: <title>Very Simple Art Gallery</title>

<sandyh> yes

<sandyh> i can't change it

<BLACKCATS> maybe put your cursor at the end of the word Gallery and backspace to delete it

<Janet> AND ON DOWN PAST THE JAVA SCRIPT THERE'S THIS LINE: <p class="style1">Very Simple Art Gallery </p>

<sandyh> tried that

<sandyh> brb

<Janet> OH! SANDY! I BET YOU'RE USING NETSCAPE.

<sandyh> foxfire

<Janet> THERE'S AN EXTRA STEP WITH THAT ONE... FOXFIRE TOO. OPEN IT THEN COPY AND PASTE IT ALL INTO A NEW EMPTY WORDPAD FILE OR NOTEPAD FILE

<Janet> THEN YOU CAN CHANGE THINGS!!

<Janet> NOW LET ME NATTER ON A BIT ABOUT PREPARING YOUR GRAPHICS FOR YOUR GALLERY...

<sandyh> ok brb

<Janet> YOU WILL NEED SOFTWARE THAT WILL RESIZE YOUR ART FILES

<BLACKCATS> need to go work on social prep

<BLACKCATS> but logging so I don't miss anything

<BLACKCATS> bbl

<Janet> AND YOU CAN LOOK AT MY SOURCE AND SEE EXACTLY HOW I DID MINE... FOR EVERY BIG FILE I MADE A SMALLER ONE (33% OF THE BIG ONE) CALLED thumb-whutever

<Marylou> what is name of software to do this job?

<Janet> THEN I KNEW TO MAKE THE BIG FILE NAMED THE SAME AS THE THUMB PILE, TO MAKE THAT INTO THE LINK PART

<Janet> HOWDY SCOUT. SOMEONE FLIP HER THE URL AND SCOUT, WE'RE PLAYING WITH EDITING THE SOURCE

<Janet> HOWDY PHYL

<Phyl> Hi ya Janet

<scout> Hi, just remembered.........but can't log since computer failed.

<Phyl> sorry I'm late, boss is a pita today

<Janet> MARYLOU, A GOOD GRAPHICS PROGRAM THAT WILL RESIZE GRAPHICS... TRYING TO THINK OF A GOOD FREE ONE, YOU CAN SEARCH OUT FREE SIMPLE GRAPHICS SOFTWARE

<Jambalaya> cak is logging, no worries

<scout> Cak, can you send me copy?

<scout> OK

<Marylou> like my kodak editing software or photshop?

<cak> http://tech.cyberstampers.com/

<Janet> TELL Y'ALL WHAT, I'LL GO PLUNDER AROUND AND POST TO THE NEW TECHIE LIST SOME LINKS FOR FREEWARE

<Janet> EXACTLY LIKE, MARYLOU!!

<scout> Thanks, cak

<sandyh> ok, i copied it into word and saved it. i was able to change it but now it is on my desktop as a document

<cak> I can (just send an email to cak@cyberstampers.com)

<Marylou> ok thought itmight be somethign diff

<Janet> IF Y'ALL HAVE PHOTOSHOP LE, THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF SCANNERS, THAT WILL DO YA PERFECTLY

<Janet> (AND THE PRICE IS RIGHT)

<Janet> IF YOU'RE ROLLING IN DOUGH, GO SPEND THE $900 IT TAKES TO BUY PHOTOSHOP FROM ADOBE, AND BUY ME A COPY TOO.

<scout> free is guuuuud!

<Evo> Janet ... how about IrfanView?

<Janet> THAT'S A GOOD ONE, EVO!!

<Janet> AND THE PRICE IS RIGHT :)

<Jambalaya> all scanners come with some kind of editing program, don't they?

<Janet> I THINK SO, ALL THE ONES I'VE EVER BOUGHT HAVE.

<scout> (Evo, love and appreciate the movies)

<Janet> IN FACT I GOT A FULL VERSION PHOTOSHOP (VERSION 1) WITH A SCANNER PURCHASE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

<Evo> Thanks, Scout :}>

<Janet> THE SAME PROGRAM THAT DOES NOW COST CLOSE TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

<sewgood2> is there a way to capture this log and save it for review?

<Marylou> just got my scanner up and working again after being without it for a year. techie teenager helped me

<scout> We have one at the top of the page under edit - says resize

<Janet> SO ANYWAY, YOU GET YOUR PILE OF ART FILES TOGETHER, AND MAKE YOUR THUMBNAILS.

<sandyh> i have photoshop elements 3

<Janet> ALWAYS REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET... NAME YOUR THUMBNAILS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

<Janet> OR ELSE YOU'LL OVERWRITE YOUR GOOD NICE ART FILE WITH A TEENY ONE

<Janet> DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT.

<Jambalaya> sewgood2, you can write cak@cyberstampers.com and ask for any class log

<scout> Mine come up already labeled (small)

<Janet> SO NOW LET'S PRETEND THAT YOU HAVE A PILE (WELL, A FOLDER FULL) OF NICE ART GRAPHICS...

<Janet> AND AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF THUMBNAILS...

<cak> (thanks scout! I'd be happy to, and we can get you set up so you can have your own logs if you wish)

<Janet> AND YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT THE GALLERY STYLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, THE ONE THAT OPENS THE NEW WINDOWS...

<scout> I did on the failed system, cak and will be put back in on the new one.

<Janet> SO YOU SCAN THROUGH ALL THE GLOPPY CODE UNTIL YOU FIND MY COMMENT <!-- The next two rows open a new window to see the big version by adding target="_blank" -->

<Janet> AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST TWO ROWS AND THE NEXT TWO ROWS IS THAT target="_blank"

<cak> cool Janet! you put breadcrumbs out for us--thank you

<Janet> SO YOU ERASE OFF THE FIRST TWO ROWS, AND THE LAST ROW, YOU CAN ALSO ERASE OUT THE JAVA SCRIPT AT THE TOP, THAT IS WHAT "RUNS" THE LAST ROW

<Janet> AND YOU'RE SURE TO WANT MORE THAN TWO ROWS, SO COPY THOSE TWO ROWS AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT

<Janet> THEN START FILLING IN YOUR GRAPHIC NAMES INSTEAD OF MINE

<Janet> AND CHANGE THE PIXEL NUMBERS, TOO.

<Janet> TO HOW WIDE AND HOW TALL YOUR THUMBNAILS ARE

<Janet> THEN THAT GALLERY IS YOUR OWN!!

<MJ> must leave now thanks

<Janet> OR MAYBE YOU WANT THE COOL FANCY ONE LIKE THE BOTTOM ROW...

<Janet> ERASE OUT THE CODE OF THE FIRST FOUR ROWS...

<Marylou> is there a resolution size that is best for these?

<Janet> COPY THE CODE OF THE LAST ROW AND THEN COPY IT AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT

<Janet> MARYLOU, YES, THERE REALLY IS.

<Janet> TO MAKE YOUR CARDS LOOK LIFESIZE ON MONITOR SCREENS, END UP WITH THEM AT 75 DPI

<Janet> THAT'S THE RESOLUTION OF YOUR MONITOR

<Janet> WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT RESOLUTIONS TOMORROW WITH THE SCANNER CLASS, BUT YOU DO PROBABLY WANT TO KNOW HOW BIG TO MAKE YOUR ART GALLERY PICS TOO

<Janet> AM I MAKING SENSE TO Y'ALL?

<Janet> OR IS EVERYBODY JUST LOST

<Marylou> ok thats what I was thinking of

<sewgood2> yes

<Marylou> lost but ok I can work it out later

<Janet> OH GOOD, THAT'S SEW GOOD TO HEAR (AND YES, ME AND MY BERNINA WANT TO SIT NEXT TO YOU SOMETIME)

<sewgood2> any time you want ---

<Janet> MARYLOU, YOU REALLY CAN. IGNORE ALL THE SCARY STUFF IN THE BRACKETS, LOOK FOR MY COMMENTS, THOSE ALWAYS START OUT <!--

<burningrubber> Ah, I finally made it :)

<Phyl> Hi and welcome

<Janet> YAY BR!!

<sandyh> i understand everything. i will have dh see why i can't change title.

<Janet> AND KNOW THAT YOU CAN CONTROL HOW MANY ROWS YOU HAVE BY HOW MANY ROWS OF CODE YOU COPY INTO YOUR OWN FILE

<Janet> AND THIS IS A TINY BIT HTML BUT <tr> SIGNALS THE BEGINNING OF A ROW

<Janet> AND COPY AND PASTE THAT ROW DOWN TO THE END OF THE ROW MARKER </tr>

<Janet> (TR STANDS FOR TABLE ROW)

<Janet> SO EVEN THE CODE PART MAKES SOME SENSE

<Janet> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER IT IF YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE IT :)

<Janet> AND ONE MORE THING UNTIL TOMORROW...

<Evo> http://tech.cyberstampers.com/ Burning

<sandyh> so each row always begins and ends with those 2?

<Janet> YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST CUT AND PASTE MY PAGES, YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ANY PAGE ON THE INTERNET YOU SEE AND LIKE

<Marylou> oh my

<Janet> YEP, SANDY. AND EACH LITTLE CELL IN THE TABLE BEGINS WITH <td> (FOR TABLE DATA) AND ENDS WITH </td>

<sandyh> cell meaning where you can place your artwork pice?

<Janet> NOW SOME PAGES YOU'LL FIND AND THERE'S SO MUCH CODE IN THEM THEY ARE TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND, SO JUST JUNK THOSE AND KEEP LOOKIN FOR PAGES YOU CAN SEE HOW TO EDIT

<Janet> EXACTLY RIGHT, SANDY!!!

<sandyh> ty

<Janet> AND IF YOU'VE STOLEN UH I MEAN EMULATED A PAGE AND YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHICH CODE GOES TO WHICH GRAPHIC...

<Janet> PULL UP THE PROPERTIES OF THAT GRAPHIC AND FIND THE NAME OF IT, THEN DO A SEARCH ON YOUR LIFTED PAGE OF SOURCE AND FIND THAT NAME.

<Janet> THEN YOU KNOW WHEN YOU REPLACE THAT NAME WITH YOUR GRAPHIC NAME, YOUR GRAPHIC WILL SHOW UP IN THAT PAGE WHERE THE ONE YOU EXAMINED WAS

<Marylou> Janet, could the reason I couldnt get into the sourse be firewall, or blocked cookies or something?

<Janet> NOW, AFTER YOU GO TO ALL THE CLASSES TODAY, AND DO A LOTTA SHOPPING OF COURSE, MAKE YOURSELF A GALLERY TO SHOW OFF TOMORROW :)

<Marylou> or just a crappy puter?

<Janet> I DON'T THINK SO, MARYLOU.

<Marylou> shopping, Now that I can do!

<Janet> I'LL SEND THE SOURCE OF THIS PAGE TO THE TECHIE EMAIL LIST TONIGHT, TOO. THAT WILL SOLVE IT FOR YA.

<sandyh> this was great....frustrating, but great.

<Janet> YEAH, ME TOO. I SHOP LIKE A CHAMP!!

<cak> cool

<Janet> OKAY, SEE Y'ALL TOMORROW FOR SCANNER CLASS!!

<sewgood2> thanks great class

<Janet> AND ON THE TECHIE EMAIL LIST TOO :)

<Janet> WHERE DO WE GO NOW, JAMS?

<sandyh> thanks janet!

<Marylou> thanks Janet

<Jambalaya> Next EVENT is in #cyberstampers

<Janet> OKAY!

<Janet> RACE Y'ALL!

Log file closed at: 1/26/07 5:21:32 PM